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	<title>Comments on: Future of Web Copyright?</title>
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	<description>a blog by Meg Pickard</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-22419</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to drive me nuts how many people were hot linking images. If I presume most thievy people were smart enough to steal without hotlinking, then I assumed most pictures just got not knabbed.

Although recently I had two requests to use pictures, one from a student, and &lt;a&gt;one from someone writing a uni text book.&lt;/a&gt; Of course I granted them, because it&#039;s nice to be asked.

I mean if someone downloads a picture of mine and uses it as a desktop, I really don&#039;t care if they don&#039;t ask (and wouldn&#039;t really know). It&#039;s when people start using them in things that quickly expand passed personal use that it becomes really really annoying.

Especially Carson, which considering the area they work in should know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to drive me nuts how many people were hot linking images. If I presume most thievy people were smart enough to steal without hotlinking, then I assumed most pictures just got not knabbed.</p>
<p>Although recently I had two requests to use pictures, one from a student, and <a>one from someone writing a uni text book.</a> Of course I granted them, because it&#8217;s nice to be asked.</p>
<p>I mean if someone downloads a picture of mine and uses it as a desktop, I really don&#8217;t care if they don&#8217;t ask (and wouldn&#8217;t really know). It&#8217;s when people start using them in things that quickly expand passed personal use that it becomes really really annoying.</p>
<p>Especially Carson, which considering the area they work in should know better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Werdmuller</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-20310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Werdmuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a very common problem. I&#039;m often finding my Flickr photos included without attribution in all sorts of things (I CC license them with non-commercial attribution requirements).

I respect this kind of mashup culture, but very few people seem to accept that copyright still holds on the web. Mind you, who can blame them: it&#039;s part of the pirate culture that we&#039;ve all helped create. I don&#039;t even mind that most of the time; it gives people more freedom to make interesting things. Somehow, I find it more jarring when a big company (or a big blog) does it though, like has happened to you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very common problem. I&#8217;m often finding my Flickr photos included without attribution in all sorts of things (I CC license them with non-commercial attribution requirements).</p>
<p>I respect this kind of mashup culture, but very few people seem to accept that copyright still holds on the web. Mind you, who can blame them: it&#8217;s part of the pirate culture that we&#8217;ve all helped create. I don&#8217;t even mind that most of the time; it gives people more freedom to make interesting things. Somehow, I find it more jarring when a big company (or a big blog) does it though, like has happened to you here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19988</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19973</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send them an invoice... it&#039;s the principle of the thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send them an invoice&#8230; it&#8217;s the principle of the thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19964</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a bit stupid that they sent it directly to you as well.

Clearly, they weren&#039;t thinking properly. I&#039;d be annoyed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bit stupid that they sent it directly to you as well.</p>
<p>Clearly, they weren&#8217;t thinking properly. I&#8217;d be annoyed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Gyford</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19955</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Gyford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me a little of after I attended the Carson Workshops Flickr workshop in 2005. We&#039;d all been given evaluation forms to fill out at the end of the day. Fair enough. Except they then used a quote from my form, credited to me, as promotion &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carsonworkshops.com/dev/henderson/25AUG2005_photos.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on their website&lt;/a&gt; (along with quotes from other attendees). 

They took it down when I complained, but it seemed very cheeky to use something written down at the event, with no indication it would be seen by anyone else, as marketing copy. 

To be honest I think I&#039;d also be a bit annoyed if I appeared in one of the photos on the page I linked to, even though I think CW took the photos themselves. I&#039;m used to appearing in friend&#039;s Flickr feeds etc, but there&#039;s something about appearing unwittingly in promotional material that feels dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me a little of after I attended the Carson Workshops Flickr workshop in 2005. We&#8217;d all been given evaluation forms to fill out at the end of the day. Fair enough. Except they then used a quote from my form, credited to me, as promotion <a href="http://www.carsonworkshops.com/dev/henderson/25AUG2005_photos.html" rel="nofollow">on their website</a> (along with quotes from other attendees). </p>
<p>They took it down when I complained, but it seemed very cheeky to use something written down at the event, with no indication it would be seen by anyone else, as marketing copy. </p>
<p>To be honest I think I&#8217;d also be a bit annoyed if I appeared in one of the photos on the page I linked to, even though I think CW took the photos themselves. I&#8217;m used to appearing in friend&#8217;s Flickr feeds etc, but there&#8217;s something about appearing unwittingly in promotional material that feels dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: Hg</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19938</link>
		<dc:creator>Hg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re on safe ground, Meg.  To my mind, your use of an excerpt from their mailshot constitutes &quot;criticism, review and news reporting&quot; in line with the generally accepted doctrine of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing#Fair_dealing_in_the_United_Kingdom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fair dealing&lt;/a&gt; and also more specifically in line with the UK&#039;s Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re on safe ground, Meg.  To my mind, your use of an excerpt from their mailshot constitutes &#8220;criticism, review and news reporting&#8221; in line with the generally accepted doctrine of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing#Fair_dealing_in_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow">fair dealing</a> and also more specifically in line with the UK&#8217;s Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19936</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think? Hmm. Interesting. Well, I&#039;ve credited them, said it&#039;s from their mailout, clearly stated it&#039;s a screengrab.

I&#039;ll fuzz out the other images, too, to be on the safe side.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think? Hmm. Interesting. Well, I&#8217;ve credited them, said it&#8217;s from their mailout, clearly stated it&#8217;s a screengrab.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll fuzz out the other images, too, to be on the safe side.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://meish.org/2007/03/12/future-of-web-copyright/comment-page-1/#comment-19933</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite agree, however, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you got an email from them saying your screen grab &quot;violates the terms of copyright&quot; and &quot;you will hear from our lawyers&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite agree, however, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you got an email from them saying your screen grab &#8220;violates the terms of copyright&#8221; and &#8220;you will hear from our lawyers&#8221; etc.</p>
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